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Waleed Aly

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On Wednesday, September 19, Sydneysiders will be able to hear this intellectual giant talk with Malcolm KnoxWaleed about his latest book - People Like Us: how arrogance is dividing Islam and the West.

“People Like Us confronts the themes that define this chasm head-on: women, jihad, secularism, terrorism, Reformation and modernity. Its piercing examination of these subjects reveals our thoughtless and destructive tendency to assume that the world's problems could be solved if only everyone became more like us. The result is deep mutual ignorance and animosity, reinforced by both Muslim and Western commentators. In this book, he draws on his knowledge of Western and Islamic intellectual traditions to present an analysis that is surprising and challenging, but always enlightening.” (source)
Waleed was born in 1978, yet this young man has a galaxy of achievements under his belt.
  • lecturer in politics at Monash University, Global Terrorism Research Centre.
  • commercial lawyer, with experience in human rights and family law.
  • board member of the Islamic Council of Victoria.
  • media commentator in The Australian, The Australian Financial Review, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.
  • White Ribbon Day Ambassador for the UN’s International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women.
And who can forget his sterling contribution to the cause of free speech during the ICV’s action against the Two Dannies at the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal, when the Tribunal ruled that the two pastors had incited hatred, ridicule and contempt for Muslims in contravention of religious vilification laws. After his (albeit temporary) victory, Waleed opined:-
“Friday's ruling concerned more than mere disagreement between religious groups. It even went beyond the contemptuous mocking of another religious group….. One defendant argued that Muslims have a plan to take over Western democracy through violence and terror, and to replace it with repressive regimes; another argued that Muslims would rape, torture and kill Christians in Australia.
Of course, people have the right to advance such ridiculous arguments…All the legislation requires is that such arguments are put reasonably and in good faith. It does not limit the scope of debate. But there was nothing reasonable about the arguments put forth…Not a scrap of proof was given for such rancid claims.
This was not a serious discussion of religious beliefs. It was nothing more than pure hate speech… Is this really necessary for our democracy? Does it really enhance our public debate? Surely not.
If anything, the idea that such statements cannot be made of religious groups is actually consistent with the traditional Australian approach to free speech….. By all means, let us engage in passionate, robust debate. But let us do so reasonably and sincerely so that our speech can create a well-informed society that is so vital to democracy. If instead we allow misleading, hate-inducing vilification to masquerade as debate, we are actually undermining the very democracy that is so dear to all of us. (source)
We salute you Waleed, champion of democracy, Islamist-style!

From an article in Al Age about his book.
“Wahhabist ideas can be encountered in Muslim communities around the world, including Australia, and Aly warns that many Western commentators have routinely failed to understand them and  that what Islam needs is not a reformation but a renaissance — a renaissance of its classical traditions. "When people say that, for example, the Taliban in Afghanistan were a medieval government, my response is to say, 'If only they were!' If you look at classical Islamic civilisation in, say, Moorish Spain, you get a picture of Islam that is very different from the one you get watching CNN today."
 
 
Hindu Kush
Muslim Medieaval Tolerance in Afghanistan: Referred to as Gandhara and Vahlika in ancient Hindu-Buddhist scriptures, Hinduism (Saivite) and Buddhism (Mahayana) were the dominant faiths of the ancestors of present day Pathans inhabiting the Eastern and Southern parts of Afghanistan, before the advent of Islam. Around 654 C.E., Arab forces started attacking the Hindu Kingdoms of Kabul and Zabul ruled by the Shahiya kings. The Pathans resisted for 2 centuries before they were overwhelmed and forcibly converted to Islam. So great was the massacre of Hindus that the local mountain range was renamed as 'Hindu Kush' meaning 'Hindu slaughter'. With the fall of the communist regime in 1980's and after demolition of the Babri Masjid in India on December 6, 1992, the 75000 Hindu minority, mainly resident in Kabul, Jalalabad and Kandhar, was targeted selectively and their religious sites were descecrated. They fled en-masse to cities like Delhi in India, where they are settled now. Several modern day Indian Hindu communities like the Sehgals are descendent of Afghan Hindus who fled Islamic persecution in Afghanistan several centuries ago.


Aly studied law at Melbourne University, where he was president of the Muslim Students Association, and he describes his attitudes at the time as fundamentalist.
For Aly, running into complexity meant encountering other Muslims who were clearly not inauthentic in their faith, and not stupid or insincere, either. Fundamentalism could not make sense of these other ways of being Muslim, but he found that by reconnecting with the classical tradition he could.
I fell in love with classical Islamic jurisprudence. At the end of the day these were people engaged with texts, trying to derive a meaning from them."
People Like Us … reflect his strong conviction that the public conversation in Australia is deeply impoverished.
"It's impoverished because it's oriented to self-validation," so that people say and respond to and believe things that tend to exonerate themselves."
That is reflected in the instinct of some media commentators to brand as evil anyone who suggests that terrorism is not simply a product of an ideological movement in the Muslim world that is thoroughly, absolutely evil.
"But it's not just about terrorism that this happens. Watch tabloid television: so much of it is geared towards making you feel better towards yourself and your society, as opposed to 'them'. (source)
So Waleed rejects his erstwhile fundamentalist Wahabism, and now embraces classical Islam, which brought great enlightenment to the dhimmis in Moorish Spain!

I can’t end this eulogy without singing the praises of the jetsetting Waleed, who rushed off to Malaysia to participate in The Muslim Professional Forum, an Islamist organisation which often features the likes of Dr Azzam Tamimi. He spoke at a MPF Forum titled: HAMAS : ENGAGE OR ISOLATE ?
 
Dying feels good
 
 “The day HAMAS won the Palestinian democratic elections, the world's leading democracies failed the acid test of democracy. Rather than recognise the legitimacy of HAMAS as a freely elected representative of the Palestinian people, the US and EU threatened the Palestinian people with collective punishment for exercising their inalienable right.
Come spend your morning with our esteemed guest, Dr. Azzam Tamimi, as he exposes the hypocrisy of the "democratic west" and unravels the web of misconceptions and fallacies about HAMAS.

 Charismatic and eloquent, his passion almost always leaves his listeners completely enthralled. Having personally experienced the plight of the Palestinians, his commitment to this cause is unquestionable, often forthrightly calling for the dismantling of Zionism just as Apartheid was. “ (source )

So Waleed and his wife, Susan Carland, are in good company with fellow moderate like Tamimi!

For these and many other achievements, we salute you Waleed, a true Renaissance man!
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Dan Zaremba
Dan Zaremba: ... http://www.islammonitor.org
Just a short quote regarding Al Andalus - the symbol of Muslim generosity and tolerance.

The position of Jews and Christian dhimmis in Moorish paradise according to Ahmed ibn Said ibn Hazm (father of the ibn Hazm):
Non-payment of the Jiziya by a dhimmi made him liable to all the Islamic penalties for debtors who did not repay their creditors; the offender could be sold to slavery or even put to death. In addition, non-payment of the jiziya by one or several dhimmis - especially if it was fraudulent - allowed Muslim authority to put an end to the autonomy of the entire community to which the guilty party belonged.

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September 17, 2007
Dude
Dude: ...
If you look at classical Islamic civilisation in, say, Moorish Spain, you get a picture of Islam that is very different from the one you get watching CNN today.

Is Waleed talking about the same period where in the 1066 Granada massacre, Muslims crucified the Jewish vizier Joseph ibn Naghrela and butchered about 5 ,000 Jews (entire Jewish community there). >:(
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September 17, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Dan,
I had absolutely no idea that parts of Afghanistan were once Hindu and Buddhist and was very shocked about the derivation of the Hindu Kush.

This illustrates how once thriving cultures can die under the barbarity of Islam and should sound a warning to those of us in the West who value civilisation over barbarity.

And how many people are aware that Iran was once part of the Persian empire and Zoroastrianism was the major civilisation, unitl it too was battered into barbarity by Islam.

Islam is barbaric and destroys cultures. We will not have multiculturalism under our so-called multicultural policy. We will have monocultural Islam.
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September 17, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Dude,

It's a mystery to me why Jews are rushing to join their oppressors, when it is quite clear from the Qu'ran and the words and actions of Islamic leaders that they want to kill all Jews.

Are these people complete masochists? Just look at groups like JCMA, where the likes of Rabbi Keren Black rush to embrace Islamists in the ICV. Is the man completely ignorant about Islam?

It should be obligatory to read the Qu'ran and Hadiths before embarking on interfaith. If this happened, people would either withdraw, or could use their knowledge to challenge the deception peddled by the Islamists.
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September 17, 2007
Dude
Dude: ...
Cassandra,
It should be obligatory to read the Qu'ran and Hadiths..

Don't ask for too much, but at least reading Bat Ye'Or's or Bostom's books should be a compulsory reading for them (before becoming Rabbis, priests, parsons or whatever religious denomination shepherds they want to become).
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September 17, 2007
Dan Zaremba
Dan Zaremba: ...
There is no concept of GOOD and EVIL in Islamic ethics.
There is only permissible/desirable and forbidden.
Additionally all of the permissible and forbidden items are indexed under Sharia.
No need to think - am I doing right or wrong? There is no need to DECIDE (no free will involved).
If you do not already know (what you can and cannot)you must ask you imam about it but you just cannot work it out all by yourself.
The initial contact of our own 'moral relativists' with Islam is an instant love affair.
The only think they do not understand is that unlike in marxist ethics, in islam you cannot shift or change permissible and forbidden. They are frozen in time forever.
The below statement is a great reflection of a Muslim mindset - they simply cannot understand why we see things in terms of good and evil.
After all killing an infidel is not only permissible by desirable.
That is reflected in the instinct of some media commentators to brand as evil anyone who suggests that terrorism is not simply a product of an ideological movement in the Muslim world that is thoroughly, absolutely evil.
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September 17, 2007
Paul Fox
Paul Fox: ...
Dan: There is no concept of good and evil in Islamic ethics, spot on!

I get the feeling that Muslims can pretty much justify any action so long as it fits in with what Mohammad would do, in other words, murder, lie, rape, rob and plunder.

Its just amazing how Muslims can't put 2 and 2 together with this desert bandits life, for example how many times would the angel Gabriel appear and grant Mohammad a vision that would suit a particular set of circumstances. Where can I get an angel like that?

Its what we in the west refer to as moving the goalposts.
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September 17, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Waleed is in a tricky situation. By becoming "White Ribbon Day Ambassador for the UN’s International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women", he will need to denounce the parts of the qu'ran which sanction violence against women. On the other hand, as an Islamist, he must uphold the view that the qu'ran is immutable and that Mohamed is the perfect man. As we know, Mohamed endorsed and practised violence against women, even against his favourite wife, Aisha.

However, I have a solution. Waleed can just blame someone else. The list includes Western Imperialism, racism, Islamophobia, Israel, the Jews, John Howard et al...
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September 18, 2007
It makes my skin crawl to think Walheed Aly will represent us at a meeting to stop violence against women...the Koran, hadiths, Islamic laws allow men to have sex with pre-pubescent girls (as Mohammad did), plough women as they like, 'enjoy the woman as the man wishes', scourge them (whip, lash)them (mohammad punched his child bride hard in the chest!), enslave them and have sex with slaves, remove their clitoris (hadiths and arabic versions of Islamic law), rape with impunity for it's virtually impossible under islamic law for a woman to prove rape, lock them in their homes....the list is unending! The only way for such violence to stop is to remove islam which sanctions it! Walheed is a massive propaganda agent for islam and will no doubt just lie as he constantly misleads about Islam!
I loved the history lesson---people must learn that islam has always been evil to others and that in Spain there were massacres and mass transport of others to Morocco etc...many fled to the Christian north! Maybe the site should setup a history of islam from the 7-21st century listing all their 'glorious' battles!
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September 18, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
James,
"Maybe the site should setup a history of islam from the 7-21st century listing all their 'glorious' battles!"

Sounds like an excellent idea. People simply do not know the history of Islam, so they go along to interfaith/Abrahamic, where Islamists tell an untrue story about how Islam enlightens. Virtually everyone I know believes that under Islam, Jews and Christians enjoyed a Golden Age in Spain, as I did until I started to read the FACTS. Unfortunately, it takes time and effort to unravel the truth - much easier and more reassuring to go along to some Islamist wank-fest, be given coffee and cake and told how lovely everything is and how Islam means Peace

If Islam were subject to ordinary rules of law, their representatives would be prosecuted under the Trade Practices Act for misleading and deceptive conduct and false representation. Now there's a thought!!
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September 19, 2007
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Eric: Shoud I trust Waleed Aly ?
When muslims can lie to non-muslims without the slightest conflict of conscience ?.
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September 22, 2007
Eric,
The only time you can trust a Muslim it's when he tells you he wants to kill you.

As you probably know all things that Muhammad said or did are halal and in fact must be followed by all good Muslims.

Quran 9:3 And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,


Since Muslims are in permanent state of war with disbelievers, they can lie to us as often as they wish.
Oh, and it is not lying, it's just deceiving the enemy.
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September 22, 2007
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sheik yer'mami: Winds of Jihad http://www.sheikyermami.com
You guy's are right on top of it, thank heavens for your site.

We should keep working together...
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September 26, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Sheik Yer'mami,

Just wish everyone thought like you did. We definitely need to keep working together and spreading the BIG TRUTH that Islam is evil, to counter all the BIG LIES about the Religion of Peace.

I just can't believe how, in the face of all the evidence, people can still spout the RoP nonsense - is it fear, stupidity or what?
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September 26, 2007

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